Les bonnes éponges spéciales avec résistance combat sans être faible à spectre/glace. Je pense particulièrement à Tentacruel.
@Trashy : les natures +SpA -Def/SpD/Spe ça existe
Le blabla des stratèges
Vinc'
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Theris
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15 mars 2010, 20:49
Au pire balance Simiabraz sur calm mind et achève-le avec Close Combat.
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15 mars 2010, 20:53
Je sais, je sous-entendais juste que aurasphère était mieux pour les sets spéciaux stoo ^^
Thx à vous deux sinon.
@Trashy : les natures +SpA -Def/SpD/Spe ça existe
Je sais, je sous-entendais juste que aurasphère était mieux pour les sets spéciaux stoo ^^
Thx à vous deux sinon.
Vinc'
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15 mars 2010, 20:54
Tentacruel, Spiritomb, Demanta , Grotadmorv, ...
C'est pas comme s'il était si dur à contrer
C'est pas comme s'il était si dur à contrer
Trashy
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15 mars 2010, 21:37
ok, ok ! ^^
re-thx =)
re-thx =)
ribombu
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18 mars 2010, 18:21
Est ce que vous pouvez me donnez un lead efficace s'il vous plait?
Meme assez classique,il faut que j'en trouve 1
Meme assez classique,il faut que j'en trouve 1
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18 mars 2010, 18:32
Azelf @ Focus sash
-Psychic
-Stealth Rock
-Explosion
-Taunt
Nature : Timid (+Speed -Atk)
EVs : 252 Speed / 252 Atk spé
-Psychic
-Stealth Rock
-Explosion
-Taunt
Nature : Timid (+Speed -Atk)
EVs : 252 Speed / 252 Atk spé
ribombu
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18 mars 2010, 18:33
Merci!
Rydley-Keuse
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18 mars 2010, 18:36
Il y a aussi:
Métalosse@Orbe Vie
- Pisto Poing
- Poing Météor
- Séisme / Explosion
- Piège de Rock
Nature Rigide (+attaque - att. spéc) 252 EV attaque ; 128 EV vitesse ; 130 EV PV
Métalosse@Orbe Vie
- Pisto Poing
- Poing Météor
- Séisme / Explosion
- Piège de Rock
Nature Rigide (+attaque - att. spéc) 252 EV attaque ; 128 EV vitesse ; 130 EV PV
ribombu
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18 mars 2010, 18:38
Merci les gars!!
Pierick
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18 mars 2010, 21:22
Ptéra@Ceint Force
nature(+vit-attspé)
capacité : Pression
- Provoc
- Piège de Roc
- Séisme
- Lame de Roc
EV : 252vit, 252att
nature(+vit-attspé)
capacité : Pression
- Provoc
- Piège de Roc
- Séisme
- Lame de Roc
EV : 252vit, 252att
Efferalgan
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Trashy
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20 mars 2010, 10:25
J'aime bien un anti-starter dans le même registre que dracolosse: lucario.
@ focus sash
-vitesse extrême
-riposte
-close combat
-*slot offensif physique au choix*
252 Atk/speed - Rigide/Jovial
il est moins bon que dracolosse dans ce rôle mais je l'aime bien quand même.
EDIT: j'ai vu ce set sur smogon mais j'ai certainement fait une erreur de moveset, thx de me corriger si c'est le cas. :/
@ focus sash
-vitesse extrême
-riposte
-close combat
-*slot offensif physique au choix*
252 Atk/speed - Rigide/Jovial
il est moins bon que dracolosse dans ce rôle mais je l'aime bien quand même.
EDIT: j'ai vu ce set sur smogon mais j'ai certainement fait une erreur de moveset, thx de me corriger si c'est le cas. :/
Ck-Ub
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20 mars 2010, 11:18
Il est même plutôt mauvais.
Trashy
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20 mars 2010, 11:24
T'aimes pas ? XD
J'l'ai dégoté sur smogon mais plus moyen de retourner sur sa fiche (500 - internal error) :/
J'l'ai dégoté sur smogon mais plus moyen de retourner sur sa fiche (500 - internal error) :/
ICSVE
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20 mars 2010, 12:26
Ouais fait chier ça arrive TROP souvent
Trashy
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20 mars 2010, 12:30
Moi, c'est la première fois que ça m'arrive.
Ils sont p-e en train de faire des mises à jour tacti-fiches, qui sait ! Car l'erreur ne s'affiche que pour le pokédex stratégique.
Ils sont p-e en train de faire des mises à jour tacti-fiches, qui sait ! Car l'erreur ne s'affiche que pour le pokédex stratégique.
ICSVE
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20 mars 2010, 12:33
Ouais mais bon je vais souvent sur ce site, et ça m'arrive aussi très souvent
Ck-Ub
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20 mars 2010, 12:50
2 fois en 2 semaines et ce n'était jamais arrivé avant. Façon avec google
« Modifié: 20 mars 2010, 12:52 par Buck »
Spoiler
Name Item Ability Nature
Anti-Lead
Focus Sash Inner Focus Lonely
Moveset IVs
~ Close Combat
~ ExtremeSpeed
~ Crunch
~ Counter / Swords Dance
0 Def
EVs
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Lucario's ability to - quite literally - "counter" common leads of OU with its versatility and power makes it a worthwhile lead in the OU metagame. What makes Lucario the ideal Counter lead is not only Inner Focus, but also its immunity to sandstorm and threat of set-up. Your opponent may expect Swords Dance and will likely not wish to allow this setup and greedily attack. While most Focus Sash Pokémon have trouble dealing with instant weather brought on by Tyranitar and Hippowdon, Lucario is immune and can take them out with Counter.
A combination of Close Combat and ExtremeSpeed will 2HKO common suicide leads like Aerodactyl and Infernape. Fake Out won’t even save Infernape from demise due to Inner Focus. Unfortunately, both of these attacks miss the 2HKO on Azelf, and as such, Crunch is the recommended third attacking option. Not only does this round off type coverage, but with it, you are not left hopeless against switch-ins such as the Rotom formes or Cresselia. Counter's main use is against bulky leads such as Bronzong, Metagross, Swampert, and Hippowdon that you normally wouldn't be able to touch, and also various attackers like Flygon, Mamoswine, and Machamp.
A Lonely nature is chosen to maximize damage from Counter, as is the 0 IV in Defense. Max Speed is required to outrun +Speed Heatran and Mamoswine, allowing you to OHKO both with Close Combat before they set up. Other possibilities in the third slot include assorted Hidden Powers; Hidden Power Grass 2HKOes Swampert, while Hidden Power Ice or Electric could be used against Salamence and Gyarados, respectively. Protect is another option to ease prediction with Counter, while Magic Coat can be used to bounce Sleep Powder / Spore back at Roserade and Smeargle respectively. It should be noted, however, the loss of Crunch in the third slot will leave you vulnerable to Ghost-types and Azelf. Swords Dance can also be used as a sort of inverse Counter; while normally bulky leads would have the chance to set up, you can turn the tables and prepare for an early-game sweep. It is recommended that such a choice be replacing Counter to retain type coverage.
This lead can’t deal with Roserade and Smeargle leads as they can put it to sleep with Sleep Powder and Spore respectively, so a sleep absorber, such as Rest + Sleep Talk Gyarados or Rotom-A, is very useful, although they will both take a lot of damage from Leaf Storm. The odd Close Combat / Fire Blast + Vacuum Wave Infernape lead will beat this; therefore Gyarados, Latias, Starmie, and bulky Water-types are good partners to deal with this particular Infernape. Because Jolly Mamoswine can 2HKO Lucario with Earthquake + Ice Shard before being 2HKOed itself, Pokemon such as Bronzong, Gyarados, and Scizor can make nice partners to deal with it. Gyarados and Salamence can switch in and cause problems should your Focus Sash be broken. Therefore, Vaporeon and Suicune can make effective partners to deal with the former, while Swampert can deal with the latter. Magnezone is a nice partner to trap Scizor as well as Metagross trying to finish Lucario off with Bullet Punch, and Dragon Dance Tyranitar and Calm Mind Latias can take advantage of Scizor being taken out. Other Fighting-types, such as Heracross and Infernape, are good options for partners since Anti-Lead Lucario is a great way to scout your opponent's Fighting-type resistances and then concentrate on taking them out, allowing your other Fighting-type to sweep.
Since this lead doesn’t set up Stealth Rock itself, having a Pokemon to set up Stealth Rock once Lucario has done its job is very useful. Heatran, Metagross, and Swampert are good Pokemon to do this.
Anti-Lead
Focus Sash Inner Focus Lonely
Moveset IVs
~ Close Combat
~ ExtremeSpeed
~ Crunch
~ Counter / Swords Dance
0 Def
EVs
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Lucario's ability to - quite literally - "counter" common leads of OU with its versatility and power makes it a worthwhile lead in the OU metagame. What makes Lucario the ideal Counter lead is not only Inner Focus, but also its immunity to sandstorm and threat of set-up. Your opponent may expect Swords Dance and will likely not wish to allow this setup and greedily attack. While most Focus Sash Pokémon have trouble dealing with instant weather brought on by Tyranitar and Hippowdon, Lucario is immune and can take them out with Counter.
A combination of Close Combat and ExtremeSpeed will 2HKO common suicide leads like Aerodactyl and Infernape. Fake Out won’t even save Infernape from demise due to Inner Focus. Unfortunately, both of these attacks miss the 2HKO on Azelf, and as such, Crunch is the recommended third attacking option. Not only does this round off type coverage, but with it, you are not left hopeless against switch-ins such as the Rotom formes or Cresselia. Counter's main use is against bulky leads such as Bronzong, Metagross, Swampert, and Hippowdon that you normally wouldn't be able to touch, and also various attackers like Flygon, Mamoswine, and Machamp.
A Lonely nature is chosen to maximize damage from Counter, as is the 0 IV in Defense. Max Speed is required to outrun +Speed Heatran and Mamoswine, allowing you to OHKO both with Close Combat before they set up. Other possibilities in the third slot include assorted Hidden Powers; Hidden Power Grass 2HKOes Swampert, while Hidden Power Ice or Electric could be used against Salamence and Gyarados, respectively. Protect is another option to ease prediction with Counter, while Magic Coat can be used to bounce Sleep Powder / Spore back at Roserade and Smeargle respectively. It should be noted, however, the loss of Crunch in the third slot will leave you vulnerable to Ghost-types and Azelf. Swords Dance can also be used as a sort of inverse Counter; while normally bulky leads would have the chance to set up, you can turn the tables and prepare for an early-game sweep. It is recommended that such a choice be replacing Counter to retain type coverage.
This lead can’t deal with Roserade and Smeargle leads as they can put it to sleep with Sleep Powder and Spore respectively, so a sleep absorber, such as Rest + Sleep Talk Gyarados or Rotom-A, is very useful, although they will both take a lot of damage from Leaf Storm. The odd Close Combat / Fire Blast + Vacuum Wave Infernape lead will beat this; therefore Gyarados, Latias, Starmie, and bulky Water-types are good partners to deal with this particular Infernape. Because Jolly Mamoswine can 2HKO Lucario with Earthquake + Ice Shard before being 2HKOed itself, Pokemon such as Bronzong, Gyarados, and Scizor can make nice partners to deal with it. Gyarados and Salamence can switch in and cause problems should your Focus Sash be broken. Therefore, Vaporeon and Suicune can make effective partners to deal with the former, while Swampert can deal with the latter. Magnezone is a nice partner to trap Scizor as well as Metagross trying to finish Lucario off with Bullet Punch, and Dragon Dance Tyranitar and Calm Mind Latias can take advantage of Scizor being taken out. Other Fighting-types, such as Heracross and Infernape, are good options for partners since Anti-Lead Lucario is a great way to scout your opponent's Fighting-type resistances and then concentrate on taking them out, allowing your other Fighting-type to sweep.
Since this lead doesn’t set up Stealth Rock itself, having a Pokemon to set up Stealth Rock once Lucario has done its job is very useful. Heatran, Metagross, and Swampert are good Pokemon to do this.
porygon-Z
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21 mars 2010, 09:44
est ce que latias fais un bon baton passeur ?
Efferalgan
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21 mars 2010, 10:30
Ta gueule.
Vinc'
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21 mars 2010, 10:42
Il est excellent à un détail près : il n'apprend pas relais
Ck-Ub
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21 mars 2010, 10:43
Oui, mais il apprend pas relais.
porygon-Z
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21 mars 2010, 10:50
a OK.... javait pas fait attention.....
mais alors comment peut-il être bon alors qu'il n'apprend pas relais ? ???
mais alors comment peut-il être bon alors qu'il n'apprend pas relais ? ???
Vinc'
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21 mars 2010, 10:58
Merci, tu viens de m'apporter mon fou rire de la journée
Rydley-Keuse
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21 mars 2010, 11:01
Beaucoup de Pokémons sont extrêmement bons et ils n'apprennent pas forcément relais. Il a beaucoup d'autres rôles et est très imprévisible.
Vinc'
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21 mars 2010, 11:12
Non, ce n'est pas ça que j'ai voulu dire, je me moquais -gentillement- de lui, tout simplement. En gros, s'il avait eu relais, il aurait pu faire un bon baton passer
Trashy
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21 mars 2010, 12:15
Vas-y, tu peux aller te pendre ! Ça fera du bien toute la section stratégie !
est ce que latias fais un bon baton passeur ?
mais alors comment peut-il être bon alors qu'il n'apprend pas relais ? ???
Vas-y, tu peux aller te pendre ! Ça fera du bien toute la section stratégie !
Efferalgan
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21 mars 2010, 12:19
Je plussoie.
porygon-Z
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21 mars 2010, 12:31
quand je disais "bon" je voulais dire bon en baton passeur sinon je sais bien qu'il sert
pas à rien !
mais alors comment peut-il être bon alors qu'il n'apprend pas relais ? ???
quand je disais "bon" je voulais dire bon en baton passeur sinon je sais bien qu'il sert
pas à rien !